Id mate it with a good 180-grain bullet, top it with a one-inch-tube scope (to save weight), and go elk hunting. The nearest of any to the .358 Norma was the .35 Newton, which it closely resembles. A 358Norma is a good fit for this action. Synthetic wins over laminate because laminates, strongest of all, are also heaviest. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. There are specialized situations where close shots are the norm, but most often, the ideal elk rifle should have enough versatility for shots out to 300 yards and change. Likewise, so do experienced western elk hunters. The guide professed to be dumbstruck: I never saw a nilgai knocked down like that, he said, And we use some big rifles here!. There are several reasons. While I generally prefer the former over the latter, I think that both choices are effective. In 1965 Remington took it to the next level with the introduction of the Model 600 Magnum Carbine. Most rifle elk hunting is not like bowhunting during the bugling season. I have long been something of a .35 caliber fan, but I have to admit that I believe the reason for the general lack of public acceptance of all but the least powerful .35's is, in a word, recoil. .35 caliber rifle cartridges have been around practically forever without ever really becoming popular. In the entry on the .358 Norma, it maintains that, had Norma convinced a major American riflemaker to offer the chambering in the early years, it could have become one of the greats. Thats a question I just dont understand. Thier wouldn't be any action mods required to do the Whelen,just rebarrel and enjoy. from my E.R. Meanwhile, the .358 Norma fizzled, for lack of a better term, because rifles were not readily available, ammunition was expensive and hard to get, and it found itself in direct competition with one of the great American cartridges of the twentieth century, Winchesters .338 Magnum. For the one perfect all-around elk rifle, Im not sure you can beat the good old .30-06. Today the .35 caliber family, at least in North America, includes the .357 Magnum, .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. The .35 Whelen fires a larger .358 bullet and is therefore right at the cusp of being a big game caliber and is capable of handling everything except . were to go head to head with the .25-35 Win., .30-30 Win. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. The company has chambered several rifles in the cartridge including models in bolt-action, pump-action and semi-automatic. Today, it is strictly a custom proposition unless one of the original rifles chambered for it can be found. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. The 35 whelen and 358 winchester were the two I was torn between. Alas, to the best of my knowledge, its not imported to the U.S. Also H&R 1871, Inc., offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. Publisher Kevin Steele is in the Beretta booth with Logan Killam, the Shotgun Product Manager, to discuss the all new Beretta A300 Ultima Turkey. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. Though still under construction, Im eager to take the classic cartridge into the hunting fields. It also notes that the reconstituted Schultz & Larsen company is offering the chambering in its Model 97 takedown rifle. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. I did kill a ton of squirels with pistol bullets and a little 700X, it would shoot little cloverleafs at 50 yrds. Mag. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. These work, but my thinking has changed over the years. Its a flat shootermimicking the trajectory of a .30-06 with heavier bulletsand is fully capable as an all-around choice. Hunting Shack 35WHELEN1N Game King 35 Whelen 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. It was introduced in the bolt-action Model 70 in which it was trustworthy, but boring. To reach the .300 mark, youd need a 270-grain bullet (the North Fork and Woodleigh bullets come immediately to mind), but stabilization becomes an issue in the slower twists, and thats long been a problem in .35-caliber barrels. While most of the .35 caliber rifle cartridges are powerful medium bore numbers designed for use on large (CXP3) game like elk and moose, the most popular .35 caliber rifle cartridge is the .35 Remington. G. Joined: Sep 2009. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. You get the shot you get, and within sensible limits, you must be able to take the shot offered. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. The recent introduction of a Hornady LeverEvolution factory load for the .35 Remington has usefully improved its ballistics. The 358 Norma is a sure mag round, but expensive ammo and brass. Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. The big case certainly made its reputation with the 250-grain bullets, as their sectional density gives excellent penetration on even the heavy-boned animals, and the .358 Norma can push them to a muzzle velocity of 2750 fps. I could get brass easy from each by forming parent cases, 308 and 30-06. The experimentation with the H&H cases, first by Weatherby and later by Winchester and Remington, certainly changed the way we hunted and made our purchases; magnum mania definitely took root. The .350 can drive a 250 grain bullet to a MV of 2500 fps. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag brass an easy way to feed it. I have shot a few critters, including a tough South Texas Nilgai, and have been happy with the performance. At 300 yards, it has 19 percent more energy than the .300 Win. The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. The .358 Norma Magnum, like the .358 Shooting Times Alaskan, generates a considerable amount of energy, but due to the caliber restrictions for dangerous game of most of the African countries, it falls shy of the markthe .375-inch bore is minimum for many countries. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. The .35 Rem. And Barnes makes a 200-grain TSX bullet designed for this cartridge that, when handloaded to 2850 f.p.s., allows the .350 Rem. 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DoubleTap loads the 180-grain Barnes TTSX bullet at 3100 fps, and the 225-grain Swift A-Frame at 3000 fps, giving options to the hunter who wants the most versatility from their big-game rifle. I'd go with the 35 whelen. In cartridges, as in boxing, what goes on behind the scenes often determines the outcome. The rifle, cartridge, and bullet must be capable of handling that one opportunity. Gun guys recognize the potential in the .358. They live in steep, rough country, and their long legs cover a lot of ground. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. On the other hand, you must hit it well, because if poorly hit, an elk shows strength and stamina and may cover many miles of tough country. The .350 Rigby Magnum is, in the words of veteran Professional Hunter Robin Hurt, a perfect caliber to hunt lion and leopard. With a few exceptions, most African countries require a minimum of .375-caliber cartridges for thick-skinned dangerous game like Cape buffalo and elephant, and that makes sense in most instances. This is not enough to argue about, so Im not convinced that the 7mm is better than the .270, but you can stoke it with a heavier bullet. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Reloading Centerfire Ammunition: Tips For Getting Started, Shooting and Loading the 6.8x43 mm Rem. On June 26, 1959, Sweden's Ingemar Johansson demolished Floyd Patterson in the third round of their first heavyweight title fight in New York. Kevin Steele from Petersen's HUNTING speaks to Jordan Egli of Burris Optics about the all-new Veracity PH Riflescope. .50 Beowulf. However, the majority of American deer hunters dont live in elk country, but many dream of going elk hunting. R Rocky Where does the .358 Norma sit, in comparison to the more popular cartridges in its class? was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. The .308 Winchester is a fine elk cartridge, and the grand old .30-06, with a bit more velocity and energy, is better. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. When chambered for cartridges such as the .243 Win., 6 mm Rem., .308 Win. Shortening the 2.85-inches long .375 H&H case wasnt exactly a revolutionary ideathat little-known .275 H&H so closely resembles the design of the half-century younger 7mm Remington Magnum that its uncannybut with the Winchester marketing machine the concept was brought to the forefront. Nosler offers the .350 Rem. [quote=encorerbHmmm, makes me wonder. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. It did shine with 148gr Double ended wadcutters over a few grains of 700x shooting clover leaf groups at 50 yards, I used it all fall putting squirrels in the pot. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. The ammunition situation is a little better than the rifles. Moderate, safe, bland and predictable. SAUM and .300 WSM, with their 180 grain bullets at a MV of 2960-2970 fps, have an optimum range of about 120 yards on 1000 pound animals. Clearly, for the hunter seeking heavy game and willing to accept this level of recoil, the .358 Norma Magnum deserves far more popularity than it has received. Honestly, Ive taken as many elk with the .30-06 as with any other cartridge, and the farthest at 350 yards was no problem. From there, you can work up until you find a load that gives you the accuracy and velocity you want. There is only .007-inch (seven thousandths) difference between the .270s .277-inch bullet and the 7mms .284-inch bullet. Too bad Ingemar Johansson was not so well equipped. .50 BMG. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. I am convinced there are better tools, and theres also that matter of mindset. Short of a wounded elephant or Cape buffalo in thick cover, there is no game I can think of for which you could not concoct a load in the .358. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. In more recent times, the 1994 release of the .450 Rigby gave dangerous game hunters a bit more bullet weight than the .416 Rigby and has developed a small but devout following among both professional hunters and their clients alike. but it does have the 22" barrel and the irons , looks and feels like a MTN rifle to me. Essentially the .338 Winchester Magnum necked up to hold .358-inch bullets, the .358 Norma Magnum made all sorts of sense to a hunter in pursuit of large game, such as elk, moose and the great bears of the north. Still have a 9.3 (so I guess it "won"). Mag. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. Any listing you find for H-4895 can be modified by loading only 60 percent of the published minimum to create some very comfortable loads. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. As an experiment, I shot the nilgai five or six more times with different bullets, then hauled the carcass back to the cleaning station intact and carried out a necropsy. I am also looking at building a 358 Norma Mag on a model 110 Savage action, formerly a 300 Win mag, and start from scratch with the stock ( bedding and pillar) and make it a tolerable shooter even if a bit heavy. plowed fresh ground. lbs. Most Professional Hunters agree that a bullet with a S.D. .470 Nitro Express. I did secure properly head stamped Norma cases thinking we'd need them going over into the Yukon (no one ever checked). The .35 Whelen is accurate, hits hard, penetrates deep, shoots flat and recoils mildly. Can't really imagine one cartridge doing anything the other couldn't, though the availability of bigger bullets and way more factory ammo (if wanted) are definite pluses for the Mauser. The .358 Norma Mag. i have a 35 whelen and love it. My .375 H&H seemed quite adequate. from my E.R. it is one nice gun and made for tight places. No, its not exactly easy on the shoulder, but its not terrible either. Maybe it's a regular BDL? I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. Food for thought, is it not? While the American mainstream wont accept the .35, they are not unloved. Its said that the French used it in World War I, but it probably didnt see much action. Now, I have to go out on a limb and say that sensible elk cartridges aren't all about power. pushes a 200-grain bullet to just more than 2000 f.p.s. Maybe I'll just get a 375 H+H instead of going the Norma route. Its still a fine choice, but I dont have a .338 right now. It is easy to forget that the .358 bore comes in an extremely varied range of twist rates from 1:16 to 1:12. Give a Gift and .32 Rem. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer. There is certainly no lack of .358-inch diameter bullets to choose from but brass is limited. was included in that party is a mystery, as it had no Winchester counterpart. Ill bet its been awhile since those cartridges have been seen in a hunting camp. That load has a maximum optimal range on 1000 pound game (like a big Alaskan moose or brown bear) of 151 yards. With cast bullets, A-5744 and Trail Boss are usually the best choices, although H-4895 is a good powder for midvelocity hunting loads. And those sentiments can be an awful lot of fun. This is comparable killing power to the long .375 H&H Magnum with a 300 grain bullet (ME 4331 ft. The parent of this cartridge is the .30-06 Springfield, which is necked-up to accept a bullet diameter of .358 in (9.1 mm).This cartridge is more powerful than its parent, especially in killing power on large game. Our editors have hand-picked these essential pieces of gear to make you a more successful hunter when you hit the game trails this season. The writings of Robert Ruark certainly helped the reputation of the cartridge and the company, as Ruark put his young PH Harry Selby and the .416 Rigby rifle he carried on a pedestal. Boltface would have to be altered for the Norma. The .351 WSL did grab a bit of fame, first as a popular rifle for prison guards and then as one of the rifles used to punch a lot of holes in Bonnie and Clydes automobile (although that accolade is in question). Its a great gun for moose and elk, bear and boar, and for bison as well. What keeps it alive? I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. Sadly, I cant find a single major gunmaker chambering this cartridge today. 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Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. Kynoch was a big producer of .350 ammo, but that has ceased in the recent past. I say that because so many reasonably successful yet hard kicking cartridges have been introduced in the last few years. If the .35 Rem. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. of energy at the muzzle. My 8mm Remington Magnum was stocked in dense walnut and had a long barrel. I rely on Roberson Cartridge Company out of Texas for projects like these, and their .350 Rigby brass is wonderfully uniform and properly headstamped. In the mid 70's I picked up a 358Norma. By coincidence, in that same year, Norma Projektilfabrik of Sweden introduced its own heavyweight champion, the .358 Norma Magnum. As unmagical as that might sound, it's one of the hardest hitting non-magnum cartridges ever. Why cant we love the .35? 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag. But in those countries where the lighter cartridges are legal for the cats, the .350 Rigby Magnum is just about perfect. Most were intended for .38-caliber handguns, but any bullet made for either the .38 Special or .357 Magnum can be loaded and shot in the .358 Norma Magnum with varying degrees of success. is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. Griffin & Howe developed the semiwildcat .350 G&H based on the .375 H&H case, as well as pioneering the .35 Whelen. It is capable of driving a. Here in North America, you could take the .350 Rigby anywhere youd take the .35 Whelen or .358 Norma Magnum, and that includes north to Alaska for the great bears. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. | The .318 Westley Richards was a highly popular choice at that time, and it drives a 250-grain bullet of .330-inch diameter, with a SD of 0.328, and the .375 Holland & Holland uses a 300-grain bullet of nominal diameter with a SD of 0.305; both are renowned for their penetration. Remington currently lists a Model 7 rifle with a 20-inch barrel; todays version of the 600 in .350 Rem. In the years since, the .35 Rem. I believe it never will. If we compare the .300 Win. From the .35 Winchester (1903), .35 Remington (1906) and .351 Winchester Self-Loading (1907) to the later .358 Winchester (1955) and .350 Remington Magnum (1965), there has always been at least one .35-caliber cartridge in use. Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. The .358 in a bolt-action rifle with a good scope is as accurate as any hunting cartridge available. So we see that even with a one pound lighter rifle, the .358 recoils slightly less than a .300 magnum. And the hunter must have full confidence in his or her choice. As it was released in the first century of the . At 400 yds., the .358 Norma impacts 3.1 inches lower than the .300 Win. Shaw rifles 24-inch barrel. Original Schultz & Larsens had substantial freebore to keep pressures down, and Normas specifications for the cartridge called for it.
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