I was looking for this article but cant find it on the blog. For 12-speed, the SRAM road & MTB cassettes can be mixed (well, they have to be matched with a derailleur with the right range of course). Im torn between getting an AXS Eagle GX (RD, chain, 10-50 cassette) and an AXS XPLR (RD, flattop chain, 10-44 cassette). Has anyone tried this out? However a flat ring like a Wolftooth in 48T or 50T does fit on most cranks, because it doesnt have an inward offset like the SRAM rings. It clearifies a lot. I think thats not ideal doing micro adjustment each time wheelset changes. Anyone who has added a Ceramicspeed pulley/cage to AXS knows about this since the tools is included in the kit. Gerard Any thoughts on the Garbaruk cage for Force AXS rear derailleurs? Is it possible to get electronic shifting with replacing the deralieur, cassette, chain and shifters? Thanks! If you already ride a 111 drivetrain you know this, since you probably use an 11-42 or 10-42 cassette. I just bough 60T chainring from D2Z then realized that sram red flattop chain 114 link may to short for new set up. In the absence of 10-cog, 12-speed cassette options, I think this will best suit my riding terrain (with a 44T or 46T chainring). Hi Mikey, I agree that with a second cassette for road, it would be even nicer. Can I use an mtb Eagle xx1 mechanic rear dearailleur on a gravelbike? Either you have JavaScript disabled or your browser does not support JavaScript. Which model I need? But as I asked two times and the answers was thats what it is designed for it would be interesting to try. Or do I need to swop chainrings when swopping chains? Gerard, I did some research and I guess I found a single speed front with 46T even 48 or 50T is possible. I have not found any 44T that is compatible with the Eagle system, and the manual warns to only use Eagle compatible Cranks Is this bull, or is there any 44T gears that is compatible? Sommes venus dans le cadre dun reportage. Have tried all kinds of adjustments (B screw, hi limit, micro adjust) but no solution yet. And No, I wouldnt want 10-33T for some reasons. After reading this, its feels so much clearer now and I think a lot of bikes shop should read this. Should be offsetting the needed chainline 3mm which supposed to be almost a perfect match to the 49mm chainline. This is a great hack of the system with a 418% range, so basically the same as that magical 420%. My hope was to eventually go 2x once 3rd party AXS compatible 2x chainrings were available but it seems the only rings are CarbonTi which are crazy expensive and Rotor which are non-existent. In my opinion this is a better cassette for most people. Can make the difference uphill. With Shimano, in general, with longer cage RD, its possible to use many cassettes. Did you leave the 42 on the front then with the 10-50 cassette ? What Im not super sure about is how well the rotor cassette shifts and I dont really want to fool around since Eagle reach mech plus the cassette is a pretty sizable investment. My chainring is 44T and Im comfortable with the speed now, even at 44t-11t combination, 1. Front Derailleur Setup SRAM eTAP AXS front derailleurs utilize the same Yaw technology as the previous SRAM RED eTap FD. That said, you cannot shift just any cassette with the Eagle rear derailleur. A 48T or 50T SRAM ring normally doesnt fit. AXS red rear and front derailleur. Silent, precise shifting and ZERO issue when backpedaling. and 10-36 cog work with the 52 (maybe 51)mm chainline from the boost cranks in your opinion? As bottom bracket I used a Wheels Mfg BB386evo to DUB. I think this range is fine, could be smaller, but I think 33 is too small. Do you know how well the Force and Red AXS chainrings play with an eagle chain since the flat top chains have larger rollers? Is it possible to use the rotor 10-52 13-speed with the Eagle derailleur or only the rotor 10-50? Man erfhrt auch einiges darber, wieviel des produzierten Stromes nach Deutschland exportiert wird, warum eine Fischzucht am Khlwasser dranhngt etc. Off the non-Shimano/SRAM cassettes, e*thirteen has some of the best shifting. When you see where you really spend your time (if you ride Di2, it will tell you), then most people could do without their biggest gear. When you need your smallest gear, you often REALLY need that smallest gear and so the smaller it is, the better, even if it is far removed from the second smallest gear. You have a 10T cog in the back, so having 5310 would give you a 9% bigger gear than Froome and Sagan with their 5311. All AXS components can work together so also GX. Something to be applauded. So one set as road bike and one more gravel/ ATB. But you would need an xD-R free hub body on the rear, not an xD, to take the 10-36T cassette. Seems like finally the wait for a meaningful gravel 12 speed setup is over for me. Indeed the Fargo takes an MTB sized BB. So that gets you to a 42T ring for the least powerful riders and a 46T ring for the strongest riders. Ive tried indexing on numerous occasions but the noise is really annoying. The rest of the AXS parts stay the same. Thanks Olli. choices. Im current Strada user 1X. And of course, the curvature of the front derailleur wouldnt match the 53T ring as nicely as it would the smaller rings that match the 10T cog. Ive built it up with a King BB. Be the first to write a review! Anyway, I dont think youll need a new rear mech, but more on that soon. same connection etc? Yes thats compatible, thats also what you see on the brown bike above. I like and use Rotor cranks and oval chainrings with my roadbikes (Sram Force 10/Shimano Ultegra Di2) My next bike should handle gravel/road 50/50 and be 1x with SramAXS Shifters and Eagle derailleur AND Rotor ALDHU crank and cassette e.g. I wouldnt hold my breath for a 10-42 solution but going with the ROTOR 11-46T cassette gives you almost the same range and your 12 gears. Merci de votre commentaire. I really like the idea of going to 1x 10X50 AXS with road shifters (likely Force). Would replacing the top (or both) pulleys with Eagle or eagle-compatible Kogel versions make it even better? Even we as a manufacturer can only buy full groups. it is possible to mix, 46/33T with a rear 10-50 cassette using an xx1 axs rear derailleur? Hi Jakob, right now its just the 42T and 46T that are compatible with the Flattop. It seems to makes sense to buy the 2x groupset but only if it can be used in 2x and 1x mode. Learn how to update these components here . But we have AXS now. Yessssssssss! Thats where AXS comes to the rescue, if you do it right. Force AXS shifter. There are a ton of people who have gears on their bike they never use, like a 5211 as their biggest gear. Les visites se font toute l'anne, mais les JIE en 2018 se tiendront les 28 et 29 septembre. And then determine what top gear you really need, what bottom gear, and pick the cassette range that matches it. Not sure. Yup. guys have an idea here. @Olli @ Gerard Washer on non-drive side and fiddle with different spacer dimensions on the drive side. . AXS is the common language that lets all AXS communicate, so a road AXS shifter can work with an MTB AXS rear derailleur. Ah heck, maybe Im over-thinking and just need to get bigger legs you do those on the 3T site, right?? If you want one set of tires for everything. Do I need the AXS app to set up my SRAM Eagle Transmission every time? I need help. Hello Thomas, I believe the hubs are dt swiss internally. So they made a smaller mold. Is it a myth? What would you recommend? As youve seen above, it requires not just a new cassette but also a new rear derailleur and chain, so roughly 800 USD/Euro. No, it doesnt really work well as you cannot adjust the B-gap that far. and something just a little more might work. Based on this, I am thinking about a 1x setup with Eagle AXS (42t chainring) with two wheel-sets. It does also contacted them last week and they confirmed all the above. Hi Tim, no, the spacing between the cogs is different for 11-sp and 12-sp so the steps of the rear derailleur would not match the steps on the cassette. If push comes to shove I can replace the BB with a SRAM stock one. I have the choice between a XT 102 (11-36 x 32/44) setup on a bike with a 68 degree head tube angle and a NX 121 (11-50 x38) setup on a bike with 66 degree head tube angle. I forgot one small/big question. It shifts flawlessly with a SRAM Eagle AXS rear derailleur and chain. Not really. Er macht aus der Fhrung auch keine Propagandaveranstaltung, er geht selbstkritisch und objektiv mit der Thematik um. I have DT Swiss wheels, so it crossed my mind that Shimano is making a 10-45 and I could just slap a Microspline hub on my wheelset and use this cassette. If the Fargo has an MTB sized BB (I think it does), then indeed GX is the way to go, not a road crank. Would this be an option for a 2x 12 drive train which is more gravel-oriented? UPDATE to above post: Garbaruk is planning to release cages for SRAM FORCE/RED ETAP AXS rear derailleurs with capacity for maybe up to 50T (their current prototype is shifting 42T max.) Ive read you said you cant mix road or MTB cassettes right? Even for a hobbyist this is possible, if you take your time (took me a while, but getting the head wrapped around new things was a welcome challenge). So far there seems to be be no difference. I have a burning question that I seem to find no answer to. Its pronounced access and it is SRAMs way of indicating that these parts can all talk to each other. In contrast to the SRAM 386Evo-Dub bottom bracket the ends of the Wheels Mfg BB dont sit flush with the frame, but are slightly recessed. As for the shifters, there is no difference between a 1x and a 2x AXS shifter, they are identical. I have been doing some reading and am liking the idea of a Force/Eagle hybrid bike with both road and gravel/hillclimbing wheel/cassette sets. With regards to Eagle and the 11-39T cassette, there are two different questions. I can confirm only one controller works levers OR blipbox. I just had a discussion with SRAM about something similar TODAY by chance. N'hsitez pas leur en parlerou revenir une seconde fois ! Thanks again. Nous avions rserv une visite pour les journes de l'industrie lectrique la centrale nuclaire de Gravelines. Quick update. HI!! Overall, it works very well. Thanks for the added info Gerard. Because of AXS, road shifters can communicate with mountain bike rear derailleurs. Pure SRAM Force or Red 112 drivetrains dont work for gravel. more, This location was reported permanently closed. Might had some miscommunication, but its clear now! Im surprised the 11-39 doesnt run as I currently use 11-36 on 11speed Etap on my Strada without issue. Or does the chainring need to be a narrow wide or something like that? But you can use the Rotor 11-39T, its a bit bigger range but still very nice on the flats. I know I could always throw a NX Eagle cassette on the bike, but really dont even need that range on a mtb let alone a gravel bike. Find company research, competitor information, contact details & financial data for ADF TARLIN INDUSTRIES of GRAVELINES, HAUTS DE FRANCE. But its either or and I had to resolder the clics to make the cable long enough to reach the shifters. Most bikes including gravel bikes are way over geared. I know, that you cant shift the entire 10-50 cassette with the XPLR RD. Finding a 1x-specific ring that fits on the 2x crank might be tough, you could look into getting a 1x-specific spider for it (with power this should be easy, whether you can find it without I dont know. Greets from Emperor city. I find deals on full 2x groupsets which make it nearly the same price as 1x groupsets. 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Now, route the derailleur cable and tighten the cable binder bolt. You can NOT shift the 13-speed ROTOR 10-52 cassette with the 12-speed Eagle AXS rear derailleur. thanks, this is excatly the clarity I knew I could find here, Do you know if a Rotor crankset and a Rotor cassette (11-46) can be combined with your described SRAM mullet AXS setup? Well, where would you plug the blip into? Gerard, thank you very much for your advice! I dont know, never tried. Maybe it can work with the 11-39, but very unlikely this could work with the 11-46. Maybe a road link would, not sure, but I somehow doubt it. The only downside is some noise on the road(gravel is fine) in the extreme ends of the cassette. Today SRAM announces their latest RED groupset lineup, SRAM RED eTAP AXS for road and off-road. I would like to know if I can use the CN-EAGL-XX1-A2 chain with my Sram Force XG-1270, 10-36T cassette X Sram Force D1 DUB, Carbon, 40T crankset 1X. So I have a hard time deciding. One for a true gravel tire 40c with a 10-50 SRAM cassette and the other with a 30c tire and a Rotor 11-39 cassette. I dont really know about that combination, but the SRAM recommendation is probably based on their own BB. RED eTap AXS Front Derailleur Model ID: FD-RED-E-D1 Product Page Specifications Specifications Enter serial number for exact specs Locate serial number on your product Manuals & Documents User Manual eTap AXS Systems Manual 22 MB eTap AXS Systems Manual EEU 21 MB Service Manuals Component Serial Number Locator 14 MB Compatibility Map When over here, you should try out the new 70K single-track route the are building right now. My only issue so far is rasping noises while on the 9 and 10 cogs. This sounds awesome! This video will guide you through the installation and setup process of the SRAM RED eTap drivetrain system. Sounds to me like a lot of trouble for no gain (at least I am not sure what you mean by Shimano 12s cassette optimisation). As for the RD adjustment, that also needs to be set up for the 11-50 to then work on the 11-46. I believe he meant to write gear 33t which is the 2nd to the largest(39t), and gear 12t which is 2nd to the smallest(11t). Ready to roll now. You should be able to find chainrings with different offset for the cleanest solution. Going Eagle wireless for the rear with an E*Thirteen 9-50 cassette. My guess is the lower Q will feel great. For the latter, all rings (36-40-42-44-46) work with the Eagle chain. There is very little margin to go bigger than that 33T with these derailleurs. I have added the background info on the cranks. I know it brings up a few questions but but could also work out pretty well in my mind: freehub compatibility: needs microspline but I have DT swiss hubs so this shouldnt be an issue chain compatibility: Hyperglide+ chain is recommended but probably any 12s chain (except flattop) should work what I hear the added shifting benefit comes from the cassette. Yes, this one also works with the Eagle AXS rear derailleur and Eagle chain! Are you aware of any other HG 12 speed cassettes between 40t and 46t? This could be an economical way to use the SRAM 112 road ecosystem with much more capable casettes. Is the AXS RD absolutely maxed at 33t cog? It seems to be an issue with the chain brand used. But mathematically the 49mm seems to add up. Their solution was to confuse people a different way :-), but throwing the bigger Venture over the wall and into their MTB line-up, hence the 27.52 name instead of 65051. Probably the cassette body is also compatible with earlier dt swiss ones. You shift the front derailleur by pressing both left and right at the same time. If I want to run an AXS drivetrain and also run a dropper post, triggered by my left (modified) sram shifter. Given the gears you had before, I would consider the Rotor 11-46 cassette in combination with the Eagle rear derailleur. Or i need to use only force AXS crankset? The 11-50 is a good middle ground, so we spec it on our, Cassette for road use: If you also want to use your gravel bike for serious road riding/racing, Rotors 12-speed 11-39T is great, and again the small steps will be appreciated. I always though boost crank should go with boost rear hub but according to their article thats not the case. Instead, the left shifter moves the cassette to a bigger gear, the right shifter moves the cassette to a smaller gear, and pushing both together shifts the front derailleur. I may not get on with 12 gears due to lots of climbing/descending. Come and visit our Visitor Centre. Great Resource!! SRAM AXS road bike parts for 1x and 2x are all the same. Thanks! I once changed end caps on a sram roam wheelset and used the dt swiss caps. Nothing to do with spacing, but if the cassette is too small, the gap to the pulleys of the Eagle rear derailleur simply gets too large and the B-gap cannot be closed. All other gears shift smoothly but if I microadjust so the 12t shifts smooth then the 33t doesnt and vice versa. Well, if youre like me, it probably went something like this: SRAM brings out new electronic road groupsets, with 1x and 2x options. Yes! Thats great, because the majority of new high-end gravel bikes are specd 1x, but until now that meant mechanical shifting or a cobbled-together Di2 setup mixing road and MTB parts that Shimano doesnt want you to mix. Best regards. Thank you. You can also opt for the power meter version. A gravel frame is quite different than a mountain bike with a very mild chainstay drop, a 439mm long chainstay (much longer than most gravel bikes) and designed for a wide MTB crank instead of a narrow road crank. Exactly what I was looking for. this is very interesting for me as I have a Sram eTap AXS groupset on my gravel bike which has a 42 tooth chainwheel and the Sram 10-50 cassette which is great for the more hilly rides I do. Please let me know. Thanks for your response, Gerard! And would that effect the shifting quality? Can I run Force AXS as 1X with only the right shift/brake lever and a blip? Can I get away with using Rotors 12 speed 11-36T cassette? Thinking 4210-33 for the flats and 4211-46 for the mountains. My rear D is AXS Red as well. So that works well as a fixed solution but its not great if you want to swap between two wheels and other wheel set requires a different chainring size. The shifters look the same, but you never know. It shifts well, as do some others, but its not the same as a SRAM on every possible comparison. TLTR: Is it possible to use a 44T Crank with a 121 11-50 Eagle setup? Cant find any trace of them anywhere. Looking for more things to read? I would love etap axs but would want a 12 speed 10-42 cassette as this would be the ideal range for my gravel bike with less of a gap between ratios of my 11 speed 10-42. Read our. I recently found a part from Garbaruk which is essentially an OSPW but with an extender link to allow the rear mech to go to 50T. And so I heard you were born here :). With the Eagle rear derailleur, you need to use the Eagle chain not the 12-speed road chain. I am building a Trek Crockett for all around but generally more cross country setup for midwest or Chicago area riding. Then I decided to try sizing the chain only to the Rotor cassette but had the same issue with shifting. Using just the right Force AXS lever with a blip (the Multiclic version) plugged in to the blip outlet on the lever, I can control the X01 Eagle rear derailleur in both the upshift and downshift direction (including holding down buttons for multishift in both directions.) One question: the 11-39 cassette from Rotor is not compatible with the red/force AXS derailleur. Forget about Road Boost as a standard, its terrible. The Force rear derailleur cannot even shift the ROTOR 11-39 cassette so it certainly wont shift the ROTOR 11-46. So its not like mechanical where both actions for the rear derailleur are in the same lever. Merci vous. What do you think of the following: Shifters/calipers: Sram Force 1 HRD Rear mech: Sram Force CX1 long cage Cranks: Sram Force 2020 DUB Chainring: Garbaruk 40T oval direct mount Cassette: Shimano XTR For chain not sure whatever works with the rear derailleur I assume.
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