Its not to different to the world we have today. 8. N I was really grateful to lean this. Not all Africans in America descend from slaves. Yeah, well done Harrison, first bit I read about James IIs proclamation 8 years before he was even born cracked me up! https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/irish-slaves-myth.amp.html. If youre essentially dying a slow death, it might as well be slavery. The West, wrongly puts Africa, which is a continent not a country, as all the same people. 'Black Irish' is often a description of people of Irish origin who had dark features, black hair, dark complexion and eyes. I think it was disingenuous to tell their story by minimizing the horrors experienced by African slaves. McCarthy is one of the most popular surnames in County Cork. Donovan Irish. In Ireland, singer Daniel ODonnell is one of the most famous people with this surname. now what were we to do not fight back the ira would never of been invented had the brits not tortured us and refused us basic human rights. My name is John Orr and im dark ass hell any Orrs on here. As far as Slavery in jail(BS) They can do their time sitting in their cells doing nothing or they can work to earn money for the commissary or to help pay money they owe to the people or places on which they committed their crimes. You could have provided the information minus the dishonest comparison if the facts of the story are accurate. "X" became the chosen surname of many black nationalists who rejected their slave names. So whats this about 16 something and king James? (I feel it necessary to elaborate because of your intellectual handicap. If you cant even get that right!!!! The common Sullivan surname means "hawk-eyed" or "little dark-eyed one," derived from the Irish sildhubhn, from suil, meaning "eye" and dubh, meaning black. Is not because of Irish slave owners, no erase that foolishnessdont think Gone With The Wind and the OHara plantation. This article is merely an attempt to connect whites to Deuteronomy within the KJV Bible. a male black slave cannot transfer an Irish last name.so it would have had to be a male Irish slave mating with an African slave women who would not have been the owner of the slave child , it would have to have the name of the white owner, so riddle us that?? The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white. Famous Clarkes include actresses Emilia Clarke and Melinda Mindy Clarke. Lets not forget the Red vs White; Yellow vs White; and Brown vs White. One of the most famous ODohertys is Irish stand-up comedian David ODoherty. Irish poet Patrick Kavanagh is one of the most famous people by the surname Kavanagh. It does not, however, change the fact that the *numbers* of Irish taken and sold into indenturehood or outright slavery in this article are not born out by any factual evidence. But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then theyve got it completely wrong. Id not opt to tell a modern day slave (servant?) Ryan is a popular surname in County Tipperary. For those of you keen to dig a little deeper into your roots, we suggest you check out ancestry.com! One of the most famous people with the surname Maguire is actor Tobey Maguire. Okay, good cuz I was like, huh? Maybe this should spoken more of, because Im sure I didnt learn this in my student years. Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. Television host Dermot OLeary is one of the most famous bearers of the name. And there, my friends, you have the truth of the matter. Although some of the indigenous people eventually earned their way up in status and they imported slaves from the African slave trade, the overwhelming majority of the oppressed was still the South America natives. Im just now learning the depth of how horrible Irish slavery was. ^ this. The truth is African-American is not your true nationality. Physical race traits such as skin color were used much later as a justification for slavery, not a motivation to start it. Im curious to know how/why the Irish slaves were able to keep their Irish last names?Traditionally slaves had to take on their owners last name. Notable Lyons include Australian politician Joseph Lyons and actor David Lyons. Clearly this makes it a Black vs White issue. Maybe in a generalized way, but can never say for each individual. So ran another search on that and got this: http://www.libraryireland.com/names/od/o-dubhdaleithe.php. England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. But we still must take into consideration that the Irish were hated for being Catholics, and that this was the main reason behind making them into slaves. Immigrant groups throughout history have generally been treated poorly by the indigenous population (or by those who simply settled first). They are the dregs of the white race. ODwyer is a popular Irish name in Australia with cricketer Edmund Thomas ODwyer and National Rugby League player Luke ODwyer both having the name. Maybe wealthy Irish werent common, but they they did exist. This is a human issue, not a race one. Sure the law condemned them, but do they have any less right to their heritage than a White person? Riddle me this, if a irish woman is bred with an african man, would the child not take the last name of the MAN?! This slave trade, and the bigotry in the past and now, is very complicated issues; dont oversimplify them by making it an issue of Black vs White. There are many different races from different parts of the world, all with their own diverse history that share the same or similar skin colors. it didnt matter whether you were Irish, English,Welsh, Scottish, Black, White, or any other race or colour, you just needed to be POOR. If you have not already, you need to do some actual genealogical research on your family to see if you are indeed genetically Irish and if so, if that occurred due to your ancestors being enslaved by an Irish family or the Scots-Irish (they both come up on DNA tests as Irish). I will just say that both existed and as such proves that anyone who is racist and thinks they are justified in being racist is wrong because even with differences of culture, tradition and society all people are the same and we should all treat each other equally and with equal respect. Slaves were never considered to be humans, but rather, chattel, and were subject to the whoms of their masters. The Irish and Scots-Irish did indeed own slaves in America and many of their emancipated slaves took their surname. Have you heard of people of Irish descent as "Black Irish.". Therefore, this preposterous on-going debate only goal is to keep the Blacks monopolizing the atrocious history of slavery. the first anit miscegenation laws were passed to prevent such mixing. Or was it an indirect outcome of the permition of owning slaves? Surnames today: There are many different origins for Irish names today but the vast majority can be broken down into either of three categories: Gaelic Irish, Cambro-Norman, and finally Anglo-Irish. Nowhere in the article did the author claim that the treatments to the Irish were worse. You did not cite any sources and Id love to research even further. 2. A quick review of Irish history reveals that the island was. It would be the same with people. In 1839, Britain finally decided on its own to end its participation in Satans highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. And not just black and Irish, but other races/groups as well. From there I started seeing more videos and posts speaking on Irish slavery. I am sure that the Irish were treated as less than other white settlers, but to say their treatment was equal to or worse than the treatment of African slaves is not probable. 250 years you say? good response Gary for putting a Blog into perspective. Of which you can incarnate into any body next time around. In the 1940s what were the Jews in Germany? Also the codification of slavery based on race and as a condition of the mother did not fully take effect until the 1700s. The Origins of the Term 'Black Irish'. In response to the comment that the Irish did not lose their culture, language etc is inaccurate. Africans were *things*. The Merchant Princes of Belfast (West India Traders) where rebuked by Thomas McCabe the Watchmaker of North Street for attempting to establish the slave trade there. There were NO WHITE OR IRISH SLAVES IN THE US. Its really amazing to see once you notice it. It is a shallow attempt and more nonsense than anything. The name Gallagher is "O Gallchobhair" which translates as "foreign help." http://library.law.umn.edu/irishlaw/subjectlist.html, And this documentary shows the conditions of life for Irish catholics during that time. Irish victims are not victims enough? This is very informative. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. why do so many people dismiss the truth about irish slave black and white people dismiss the truth. https://www.houseofnames.com/dudley-family-crest, Originally, this was a surname coming from Dudley in Worcestershire, England. Actor Miles OKeeffeis one of the most famous people with this surname. It appears that everyone, including you, completely ignored my comment where I pointed out that the British would hire pirates, specifically Barbary Pirates from North Africa and the Middle eatern areas, to raid entire Irish villages with the intent of wiping out said village so the British could take over the land and do with it as they wish. All of those point to it being English, British, Anglo-Saxon in origin not Irish or Gaelic or Irish-Gaelic for that matter. Liam Hogan does a pretty good job of refuting this pseudohistory. Musician and YouTube personality Charlie McDonnell is one of the most well-known McDonnells. Irish actress Katie McGrath is one of the most famous McGraths. Ryan is another popular Irish family name across the world. The Irish in this group would be the ones who were protestant (sometimes referred to as Scot-Irish) and were pro-England. When Blacks succeeded in creating wealth and communities that allowed Blacks to have good lives, they were systematically destroyed by angry envious bigoted white people of every background including Irish. None of this was forced, as that would have hurt productivity, rather than helped, and the incentive of a female slave having reduced work during pregnancy encouragement enough. Chances are, you can find her drinking coffee in some hidden gem cafe in Dublin, planning her next big trip. January 1861, seven Southern slave states individually declared their secession from the United States and formed the Confederate. Extract from the book, A Journey from Bridgetown to Belfast Or, Is what happened to the Irish just a mere part of what happens to all, and to any of the different nations of men who are affected by the wicked works of the heathen? Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window). Love Irish history? The largest number of Irish descendants reside in the United States, while in Australia, those sharing in Irish ancestry account for a higher percentage of the population than in any other country, except Ireland. Did you have some knowledge of your name already? Your email address will not be published. Why arent those of Irish slavery equally claiming discrimination or expecting reparations? Where they were made to feel unwelcome, they headed for the hills, which is why we have the Appalachian populations, and others like them, populating those hills to this day. O'Doherty 16. You would be amazed at what all of history has been created. If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. Ireland Before You Die is supported by its audience. Always a good idea not to counter generalizations with more generalizations and no sources. Were revealing where the term comes from and who exactly the term is referring to. Aztecs and Mayans were no exception. IT IS A SPIRIT THAT DOES NOT CARE FOR ANY RACEKNOW THAT TO ANY CAUCASION OR TO THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL XOXO, [] How Blacks have Irish Last Names [], Lies. Should we question if being enslaved was not as horrific for those who were lighter skinned because the may not have has as harsh living conditions? Gaelic would not have been understood any more than African languages in the new world. Not just the Irish. However, we do know that numerous Norman invaders did settle in Ireland and integrate into Irish society. The term Black Irish has been in circulation for centuries, with Irish whiskeys such as Mariah Careys Black Irish cream liqueur and Northern Ireland-based Darker Still Spirits Company Black Irish Whiskey even naming their products after the term. Family of three here by underground railroad. I agree. Its now being used to paint the picture of white persecution and victimization and to deny historic institution racism in the US. Why would you even mention those in the same breath? Slavery was a terrible condition to place on any people. Gallagher is one of the most common hereditary surnames in County Mayo. Not from being bread with Irish. They dont even notice it (MEAN). Adam and Eve are my ancestors as well as yours DNA has proven that we all tie to the original humans they lived in Africa. Its like saying, Im personally offended by you not because of your genetics but because of your race!. The defeat of the Vikings at the Battle of Clontarf in the year 1014 by Brian Boru marked the end of the struggle with the invaders and saw the subsequent integration of the Vikings into Irish society. 7. Read it again. This proclamation lasted 200 years ,ending some 9-13 years before Black Slavery Emancipation. Period. Were Irelands Viking invaders high on hallucinogenic herbal tea? But, the tone of the article seemed to suggest that Blacks should not feel like they have been singled out bullied because the Irish was also subjected to indentured servitude or slavery. Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. The Irish were treated HORRIBLY, often just as horribly as Africansbut not always. The Celtsarrived on the island about the year 500 B.C. And I didnt look at the color of the skin of my brothers nor sisters. #DoesntAddUp. I cannot speak for what may have happened in America and it is true that we Irish dont suffer from racism in this day and age. Had you read the history on it you know this but even without a history lesson you shouldve been able to logically reason this out abecause in order for us to have their last names it would HAVE TO MEAN THAT THEY WERENT SLAVES AT THE TIME because slaves arent allowed to have their name live on only free people did Does anyone have any further information regarding my family name? In parts of India the caste system locks some segments of society into servitude. I just know that it opens a lot of questions as to how groups behave based on class status. The Irish, Native Americans, Africans and those native to the islands were classified as savages, not because of skin color, but because they did not ascribe to the supremacy of Protestantism. Black Irish Elm, wych elm cultivar originally discovered in Ireland. I could be totally wrong on this but its what Ive read when I did my research. So if Irish slavery and African slavery the same why arent the Irish suffering the same fate as blacks today. My Mom is Caucasion and Scottish. This is sometimes used to by Irish to distance themselves from the slaveholdinhs in America. And at last; nowhere in the article did the author claim that the treatments to the Irish were worse. Or was the heaten allowed to do this in a kind of prophetic way? It seems some people are trying to argue as if only black people were ever slaves?? http://theirishwereslavestoo.tumblr.com/post/120600939730/debunked-the-global-research-article-on-irish, Maybe those books can help youtheres many more, this is not something made up by one person on one website. An indentured servant is not a slave. She RIP up my pictures and took me by the gaur to the principal office where he took his turn and thats just one example. Today black people are assimilated into western culture, et slavery hasnt ended. I think it is dishonest to compare slavery based on race with indentured servitude or slavery based on economic status or country of origin. Doyle is one of the most common surnames in County Mayo. Words are powerful, they are spells (we are spelling) the word black in middleages means pale. Working is a choice and they get paid for their work. B. I have always found that a fascinating sociological subject, whether its worthy of study is doubtful. I guess that depends on what you consider Irish? It generally refers to racial, ethnic or cultural roots. The strong over the weak. The writer of this article conflates two different things geographical/national origin and skin colour/illusionary race category. Chattel slavery was perpetual, a slave was only free once they they were no longer alive; it was hereditary, the children of slaves were the property of their owner; the status of chattel slave was designated by race, there was no escaping your bloodline; a chattel slave was treated like livestock, you could kill your slaves while applying moderate correction and the homicide law would not apply; the execution of insolent slaves was encouraged in these slavocracies to deter insurrections and disobedience, and their owners were paid generous compensation for their loss; an indentured servant could appeal to a court of law if they were mistreated, a slave had no recourse for justice. The term " black Irish " refers to persons of Irish descent who are supposed to be descendants of the Spanish Armada, which sailed around the middle of the 15th century, and had dark hair and or eyes. Kelly (46480) 3. The vast majority of labourers who agreed to this system did so voluntarily, but there were many who were forcibly transplanted from the British Isles to the colonies and sold into indentured service against their will. So they forgot where there came from, slavery and became slavers or helped them. Some people wallow in the past and stay the victim. I always thought that the Jamaican dialect sounded like a version of an Irish dialect. The Irish were hated because they were catholics. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. Smith 6. I wish the writer had included some references. Reblogged this on Simply Etta D. and commented: You should be ashamed of yourself and I suspect that this is a troll site rather than a site ran by a person of African descent. From a real Irish person, who didnt get shipped over to America but whos ancestors have fought against the oppression of Britannia and ultimately Rome (the Pope) for over 800years. But animals of higher value are often treated better than less. Today, there are many different variations of Irish surnames, but most commonly, they can be divided into three categories. Australian actor Jason Donovan is one of the most famous people with the surname Donovan. there is another book to read; which indicates that the so-called American Revolution was spurred on by slave revolts in the west indies. This regard of history and overall attitude only serves to further perpetuate the divide between skin color and bigotry. Just dont take my stuff from me!! After they were freed, when their slave trade ended, they were made overseers, given african slaves, made to believe they were part of the white establishment. Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. Another clue are terms "Black Dutch" and "Black Irish." These were used by families to hide their ethnicity. You all talking rubbish, Under 800 years of English rule millions of irish died at the hand of the British. People dont make it to age 40 there. The Irish language was nearly extinct and was only spoken in very remote parts of the country for a long period of time. It was common in the 1600s for the Irish prefixes O and Mac to be dropped from Irish names. Slavery is a terrible condition to place on people. As with the Vikings, these were viewed as a people of "dark intentions" who ultimately colonized much of the Eastern part of the country and several larger towns. It was written in the year 916 A.D. that the lord of Aidhne, Tigherneach Ua Cleirigh, died in County Galway. They were owned by an Irish family. Actress Betty White is one of the most famous people with this surname. It could easily be claimed by any of those writers who like to push their political agendas by denying facts in evidence and making up effects and results that sound plausible, but simply did not happen, or do not have the meanings that those writers freely attach to them.
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