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While folk littering with gel wrappers is no doubt annoying, is it really up there with fly-tipping? If you are not interested you can unsubscribe at any time. They race ahead, dismount to get the tracking shots they need of the riders. He threw the toys out of the pram because his head is scrambled by these defeats. I'm constantly berating or pointing out the danger of the motorcycle. I don't think much does get through to him, I really wish it did. I heard him doing weightlifting once. From dealing with the never-ending frenzy of action, and incessant radio announcements, to having to tackle the director. But he's British and that's all that matters to Kirby. And, one can understand the enthusiasm that has kept him going despite the setbacks and even criticism from people. When all the commentators from different nationalities are inside the same studio room, it is no longer the same as before, remarks Kirby, in a monotonous tone. "Commentating on cycling is not like snooker or tennis," says Carlton Kirby, principal commentator for Eurosport's cycling coverage, who has worked in the sport since 1996. In the early 1990s he became a freelance commentator. Controversial! Carlton Kirby is one of the successful names in the industry, recently had been a topic of gossip for good and bad reasons. Eurosports commentator Carlton Kirby has called hundreds of races throughout his career, both on-site and from the studio. Eurosportreports that Kenny expanded on the incident on BBC One today, saying: Someone felt they had right of way and decided that gave them the right to kind of jump on the throttle and drive at us, which was a scary experience. Doesn't look that pretty, cable tied, very practical. The unrelenting, inane chatter (did any of us want to know that his wife had their third child by caesarean section? We saw that on the Tour of Catalunya - a useless piece of motorcycle protocol. You can do that by clicking one of these links - TAKES 30 SECONDS: https://help.eurosport.com/hc/en-gb/requests/new, https://help.globalcyclingnetwork.com/hc/en-gb/requests. You have a sound wall battle, where theyre shoving one way and were shoving the other while trying to sound calm and interesting on the commentary when actually what you want to do is knock someone out! And then, of course, there are the flat stages and the sprint finishes. Baseless. I think it is just individual race directors who decide who gets to ride these bikes. To my mind, the motorised vehicles are getting far too close, a point I continue to pick up on commentary. During a long interview, the legendary veteran commentator of Eurosports shares some of his knowledge about the job. Eurosport is a group of pay television networks in Europe and parts of Asia. Maybe it's because he doesn't ride a bike himself? Cookies help us deliver our services. Marcel Kittel gesticulates as Mark Cavendish wins stage 14 of the Tour de France ahead of Peter Sagan, Stage six finish: Cavendish edges Kittel again in thrilling finale, WATCH: Moment Cavendish finds out he has won. We had a heated debate about the incident and then the person drove away. To know that, you simply have to do a Google Search and you will know why. So, our information can be slightly second-hand. His knowledge of most non-english speaking riders can be written on the back of a postage stamp, with the exception of 'famous' foreigners like the Schlecks, Dertie Cont, Cancellera and after this spring Gilbert. There have always been deaths since the early 1900s from vehicle-related incidents. To cycling fans, Carlton Kirbys voice has become synonymous with the sport, having become an integral part of British Eurosports racecoverage. Kirby is a shockingly bad commentator, but Harmon is not much better. Kirby has more than two decades as a. Such things impact ones reputation a lot, and there is no way around it. I think people will appreciate what were trying to deal with. During a long interview, the legendary veteran commentator of Eurosports shares some of his knowledge about the job. Among an awful lot of distractions, as Carlton Kirby explains, commentating on cycling is an arduous process. The walls do move when they pile in too. One of the worlds most iconic cycling brands appears set to launch an e-bike. So poor . What is the point? And he has outthought Marcel Kittel here. We cant do that when hes at his house and Im at mine. Those are definitely the days when you earn your corn. CK:As a commentator, you dont have a great deal of contact with the riders. I changed to German commentary on eurosport international today I was so mad. On the last Vuelta a Espaa, Tinkhoff threatened to pull his team out because two of his riders - one of whom is Peter Sagan - were hit by vehicles. . Among an awful lot of distractions, as Carlton Kirby explains, commentating on cycling is an arduous process. Are you sure? Nonetheless, one other thing that Kirby believes, sets the very best apart is commitment. Continuing our discussion of 2020's cancelled/postponed races continues, Eurosport bon viveur Carlton Kirby discusses why riding up Swiss mountains is easier than riding up French mountains; villages accessible only by ladder; the world's highest lighthouse; 70s balladeer Gilbert O'Sullivan; human . Essentially, there needs to be some sort of schooling or protocol coming from the International Cycling Union that has a proficiency test for these guys. Cycling is a sport where there are no time limits and there are no constant action-packed sequences to speak about. We usually have to drive to the finish line, which is where the commentary positions normally are theyre like double-decker coaches all lined up there, Kirby sayd. We get to see our own output with our team interviewing the riders. Get rid. However, a lot of his fans understand this and support him. VN:Whats it like calling a race from back home at the studio? All material FarrellyAtkinson (F-At) Limited, Unit 7b Green Park Station BA11JB. See the recording of the last Carlton Kirby Zoomcast hereEnjoy our vintage/summer Parisian Spotify playlist (plus Little Italy by Stephen Bishop, not French, don't write in) hereSee Carlton's The Vuelta a Espana used to be the worst of the Grand Tours because theyd have transitions day of 250km across a desert. -"Looks like shit. The Tour forces us to have dinner. How much longer do the cycling public have to suffer the idiotic commentary from Carlton Kirby ?? Kelly will probably kill him by the end. This afternoon, I yet again, tolerated his insulting drivel on the Dauphine. He was hinting today that he would be commentating on Paris-Roubaix (just after he said that Froome was 'over-raced' this year), so I'd be grateful if as many people as possible could comment/vote before it is too late: Mmmmm, unfortunately, the suggested replacement is just as clueless, just quieter. March 2, 2022 . Harmon's attitude can best be described as 'wogs begin at Calais'. According to the Telegraph, cyclists and joggers could be targeted as part ofa new Government initiative to work out who is leaving waste behind in countryside. Especially on unstable surfaces. Story Time with Carlton Kirby: Mankini's and mechanicals | "The pictures were all over the news. I have been speaking to (former cyclist and Eurosport expert) Sean Kelly about it at various races, and we have both had hold your breath moments. Plus the the week's top tech news, in: Flying Tom Pidcock wins Strade Bianche, in: Cyclists call on council to reconsider unsafe diversion, in: Call for Scottish safety portal that would "deliver justice", in: Campaigners: Remove pedestrian vs cyclist conflict, in: Highway Code changes haven't helped cyclists, Near Miss of the Day 853: Driver of lorry urging cyclists to Please take extra care near this vehicle fined for close pass (includes swearing), Continental unveils the "strongest" and "fastest" ever Grand Prix 5000 tyre models, Brompton boss frustrated to be fighting "war of attrition" against rip-off rivals, Remove conflict between cyclists and pedestrians, urge campaigners in wake of manslaughter case, Have bike tech wars turned cycling into Formula 1? His voice tends to wake me up from my nap when something happens. Arriving at road.cc in 2017 via 220 Triathlon Magazine, Jack dipped his toe in most jobs on the site and over ateBikeTips before being namedthe new editor of road.cc in 2020, much to his surprise. The moment you have spoken a word, it is out there on tape and on every news website, forum, and who knows what. For over 20 years, be it the Tour de France, Olympic Games, Monte Carlo Rally or Le Mans 24 Hours, his easy-going manner coupled with incisive commentary and a dramatic edge has made him an audience favourite. The major problem with this is that you cannot follow a race he is commentating on unless you are watching it - i.e. It's garnering quite a few sarcastic responses on Twitter Yep, I regularly cycle to MacDonalds, get a load of food, then cycle to the off license, get some beer, and then cycle to a lay by or car park and spread it around the place. He's fine when it's all action but flounders when it's a longer stage. Thus, the commentary that you hear wont come from the finish line, but rather from some television studio thousands of miles away. Whilst im not a great fan of Carlton Kirkby I very much doubt I could talk for between 1 and 5 hours without descending into complete nonsense from time to time. Carlton Kirby: What inspired Chris Froome's golden era Eurosport's voice of cycling Carlton Kirby analyses Chris Froome's performance in winning a fourth Tour de France. I've decided and bought a '21 Revolt which is nigh on identical in stack and reach to the Defy, only differences being a slacker front end and Well if you ever go to Chesterfield you will be called "youth" however old you are. He has poor knowledge and really just annoys everyone. One example of his commentary, from 11/3/21 Tirreno-Adriatico: Carlton Kirby: 'Yates is the heart and mind of this breakaway group'. What you are talking about is a place in history. Brian Smith is very good and I feel for him having to listen to Kirby's dumbfounding comments. Would the football fans be subjected to him commentating on the football matches ? And to be honest, most of us are scared of losing Carlton Kirkby in case Ant McCrossan takes his place. The blokes an insult to all cyclists. Ive gotten drunk on the Galibier and been evacuated off the Galibier. Well over a 1000 signatories on that petition now. Kirby says he opens the Tours road book (the bible for riders and media alike) first and foremost, having to change all of the notes to match his commentary notes and the on-screen graphics counting down the kilometres, rather than up as the book does. You might remember an 'interpretive spinning' vid doing the rounds on social media a few weeks ago. Eurosport's Carlton Kirby. All of this stuff adds to the vrit of the broadcast, and its stuff you cannot get in a studio in London. Agreed. I tweeted quite a few comments which clearly annoyed him. Thomas De Gendt launched a solo attack from the break with 60 kilometres remaining of todays opening stage of the Volta a Catalunya, covering 163 kilometres and starting and finishing in Calella and the Lotto-Soudal rider now finds himself with a lead of almost three minutes on his rivals. wow, all the power to you man! It was a dreadfully high price to pay in my opinion to high but the suffering couldnt go on. #cycling @carltonkirby whatsonreading.com Carlton Kirby True Tales of the Tour de France | What's On Reading Page 6 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community. All rights reserved. He also never tells you who the riders on screen are - and if he does, he's usually wrong. It is a free-for-all. There's also his lack of knowledge. Hes done it four times, and I think he might want to do it again on the Champs-lyses. Its a whole other much more positive view of commentators as a whole. e-bikes are very much the SUVs of the car world with every manufacturer seemingly keen to add at least one to their range to not miss out. I'm not sure if it was security, medical or a photographer who hit him, but essentially there was braking with four riders on the ground and the bike flipped before landing on the riders. All rights reserved. Carlton Kirby: No matter if youre in a mobile unit at the finish, or in a studio with air conditioning and a coffee machine, youre doing the same thing, the view out the window is just different. Ive now just watched the end of Milan-Sanremo again: Aranburu wasnt in the first group behind Morhoric, so he literally couldnt have come higher than 10th. Quite brilliant and gutsy from Tom. Yep, thats my pick. Info-wise, being on-site is amazing.. Where is the central body that has its own rules of discipline and rules of engagement that respect distance protocol and passing protocol under the race director? They will tell you, Yes, so-and-so is looking really mentally fatigued, or, they are saying, Hes getting very aggressive in the peloton and weve had a word with the team, that is all great information. Discovery through its international sports unit, it operates two main channels Eurosport 1 and Eurosport 2 across most of its territories, and streams on Discovery+, which superseded Eurosport Player. A close study of the final 20 kilometres follows, picking out key hazardslike pinch points, street furniture and likely attack points, before the repeating the study in the car alongside King Kelly as the pair make their way to the commentary point at the stage finish. We met a young boy and young girl who recently lost their mum, and its really sad when you see that side of it. Thats when it down to you and not the riders.. For example, I know that Jakob Fuglsangs last name means bird song, which is a nice little thing. De Gendt, Volta 2019 Stage 1 winner. Discovery company. This latest incident proves exactly that. We have to get him off eurosport. I can't understand why Eurosport need to use him when they gave at least four other knowledgeable commentators, even without Harmon. As for the Sky Team Fans member - you wouldnt actually be Mr Kirby would you ???? It just stays online forever. In my ear I have a producer telling me when we have interviews, drop-in features, ad breaks and cue points.. And within the second group, he sprints hard, coming 13th overall. 14 Aug 2020. I think there seems to be a bad feeling against cyclists and its really strange because theyre only people, he continued. #GPDenain pic.twitter.com/2DsagK73lS, Wanty-Gobert Cycling Team (@TeamWantyGobert) March 24, 2019. It is all clearly not set in stone at the moment, and I hope that I'm not going to have some sharp intake of breath moments on commentary just because bikes are needlessly endangering the lives of cyclists. To my mind, the motorcycles are the most dangerous because they have the least ability to stop. You always get letters or emails from people who really enjoyed your commentary, but youll always get those who hate every fibre of your being.. There is no discussion or debate, just chatter, articles, and just that. People were saying track preparation knocks you back for the sprint because it is a different form of physicality that is needed. The Wanty-GroupeGobert rider was air lifted to hospital after the crash yesterday, but thankfully it seems like he's in a stable condition. They seem to think that it is enough to just talk about english speaking riders, or to 'emote' any time there is a crash, or a difficult corner. It is amusing that explaining this is futile, he remarks. if many people would do this via twitter it could at least give a sign. Especially on the downhill runs which is a crazy situation. While he admits Sagan's explusion for. There are several fan forums that constantly try to have him removed from Eurosport and even made a Carlton Kirby petition their demands on the grounds of inane chatter, terrible jokes, and unnecessary screaming. In their eyes, he is one of the worst cycling commentators. CK:I think not many people will notice. They kept the suspect in view and assisted us in the footchase before he was caught and arrested pic.twitter.com/QcQg7PBcsn, Wednesfield Police (@WednesfieldWMP) March 24, 2019. Hosted by Duncan Steer Carlton Kirby's Cycling Lock-In Radio Days Events Sports NOV 24, 2021 London live show preview! And yet, love him or loathe him, Kirbys voice is as intrinsically linked to the Tour de France, for Eurosport viewers at least, as other famous voices across the sporting spectrum. pic.twitter.com/bcRWeK1p3o, just merder. VN:What difference will people notice in this years Tour broadcast from a normal year, when you and your team are on-site? Absolutely mad. Yeah he does. Yates ended up going out the back of the peloton, losing 1.22. You get the atmosphere and emotion of a place. why must us cyclists have to tolerate a commentator who has no knowledge of professional cycling. Some of which have been admitted, some of which weren't. The commentary line-up will include regular voices Rob Hatch and Carlton Kirby, who will also joined by cycling legend Sean Kelly at all three major races. Id love to see this Eurosport commentator substantiate even 1% of the outrageous claims he makes. Advertising, commercial: sales [at] road.cc Nobody but nobody doesnt sprint for 5th at the end of a Monument. We dont want this man commentating. I remember being impressed during the Giro at his ability to identify riders. Eurosport's lead cycling commentator Carlton Kirby presents a weekly guide to everything that's NOT happening in the sport this year, with stories and reflections from his 25 years in the gantry. Utterly self-absorbed: he had already decided who'd won. As a small example, he started talking to Magnus Backstedt about tyre widths the other day ("weren't you the 27 mm guy?") Whether they be dusty in the summer or wet in the winter, motorcycles are far too dangerous and get far too close to the bikes. He's ruining the sport I love - I avoid many races purely because he's the commentator. A football match lasts for hardly ninety minutes, a rugby match is over in eighty minutes, whilst a basketball game takes only thirty-eight minutes to finish. It was almost featureless and the riders would not engage in it at all. And hes trying to improve them. I am having this problem too. I could paint the Galibier and Ventoux and even some of the rarer mountains by memory. You have entered an incorrect email address! You only need to listen to him to get that he has no time for Johnny Foreigner. And thats where comes the utterly significant role of the commentator who not only has to fill the huge time span but needs to stay alert at all times. This person has obviously just seen red, Ive got right of way, Im going to go, and you might have right of way technically whether you do or dont is often debatable but it doesnt give you the right to smash someone and potentially kill someone, which is what is going to happen if you run someone off their bike. Yes Harmon is okay and like I said - at least he does his homework on the teams and riders and hangs on every word uttered by Sean Kellyas though he is keen to learn the professional circuit. Eurosport's lead cycling commentator's weekly guide to what's not going on in cycling during the lockdown. The road curved, but it was nothing to concern one's self with. Helen Blackman (@HelenBlackman) March 24, 2019. If it goes on for two or three years, then people will notice because the freshness of what is in our heads will ebb. VeloNews: Whats the biggest difference for you when youre commentating on a race from back home, instead of attending the event? Proper all rounder. The headline does anyway, while the sources in the article cover a few different potential causes. Can you imagine Paris-Roubaix with Kirby commentating? Some people take offence for the strangest reasons.
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