1st cav div. So, I must be a VN Vet and VN Era Vet and Cold War Era Vet but not a Cold War Vet because I never got anywhere near the USSR. This included Westmorland and Abrahms. My sister found enough info to get my brother in laws ship re-classified as a brown water ship and proved he was sent in country by the ships commander (Newport News). Luck of the draw my twin that received a silver star got the luck of the draw made it home. by your definition, cia personal in civilian clothes were not veterans. It was an incredibly tumultuous time in US history and, for that reason, its unclear how many people actually served during this struggle. All who served In Country and the those outlying areas in support should be considered Vietnam Vets. Were you at Saigon firebase when guys set off grenade in APC ? The site is owned and run by a crook and charlatan named (?) The 25th Infantry Division, in III Corps, issue two different Malaria Pills. Those of us who wear air crew wings probably saved your ass more than once. In the article, the writer quotes Patrick S. Brady of Vietnam Veterans of Americas magazine. to believe, losing nearly 711,000 between '95 and '00. Wiki User. September 27, 2022 by Editorial Team. Well again, nothing that you have posted tells the story that you were in Vietnam. Peter: 67N2F, 119th AHC 68-69. as we end our lives we should never forget that each served, in some way. The last veteran who served in the trenches was Harry Patch (British Army), who died on 25 July 2009, aged 111. It was also projected that, from here, 138,000 Vietnam veterans are expected to die each year. Hometown: Detroit, Michigan. Over 8.7 million Americans served in the Armed Forces during the Vietnam era from 1964 to 1973 (1). We, the U.S. have lost over 158,000 American lives to the Vietnam war and that count is still rising. The insistence to include Vietnam-ErA vets with those who served in-country results in a ridiculous skew to any meaningful stats. 8,113,000 are still alive (May 2000) Post navigation no body turned down extra hands, and my india purchased white shirt and shorts made me attractive target in the event of a problem, and provided some humor to the 130 crews. Those experiences vs the ones of the rear echelons are grossly different. To this day, I dont know how I was transported from the right-side dirt shoulder but ending up in the center of the dusty road. The ERA Vets know perfectly well that they were neverNEVER..in Vietnam, and that this is nothing but a desperate attempt to gain the respect those men earned. We all bleed red. I still consider myself lucky every day! I was searching aria, even though these ruts are a real bitch! I was jostled and jerked by the truck over the dusty road. If we dont include forces in Thailand or Guam why are we including anyone except Navy pilots, because I dont remember any deep water people who were subjected to enemy hostilities. The one question I have is how many in country vets did multiple tours over there. In fact, the first two advisors (MAJ Dale Buis and MSG Chester Ovnand) killed by the enemy died in an attack on their base near Bien Hoa on July 8, 1959. As soon as I was wounded, I was thrown into a world that I was alone! So yes, we did indeed see combatoften. retired university professor There were approx. Only believing what Fox & Friends has to say is really what you need to question Most things in the NYT does get critical peer review and push back when questionable Fox NOT SO, look at the crap coming out of Tucker Carlson, now that is scary extreme BS, The picture tells far more than a Thousand Words, it is that thousand yard stare, and any veteran who was out there can fill in the blanks of what they were thinking at that moment Offshore ocean sailing is a lot like being out trucking thru the jungle Minutes , hours day upon day of monotony and boredom, interrupted by moments of fright & terror I know that thousand yard stare, and many a time since I have found myself back there in my mind, staring at whatever and seeing nothing but what was in my mind. His Engineer company was tasked to fight as Infantry, and they did. I do not believe that the question of who is a Vietnam Veteran is that difficult Assignment to a unit stationed in country is 1 criterion, another is the number of days assigned and served in country Combat at sea of pilots from carriers and rescue crews that flew over the country and those downed I think that there are really 2 classes of Vietnam Veterans, combat and non-combat that is a more difficult designation to separate As a combat platoon Sgt engaged in several large battles and many smaller fire fights, nights being mortared with shells exploding in the trees above The VA needs to add one more medical anomaly, Chronic Butt Pucker for all combat veterans. In addition 18 US AF Security Police personnel and their 5 person aircrew were killed responding to the incident (the seizure of the USS Mayaquez), some do not recognize them as combat related deaths either. According to the American War Library, as of February 28, 2019, it is estimated that approximately 610,000 Americans who served in land forces during the Vietnam War or in air missions over Vietnam between 1954 and 1975 are still alive to this day. I Never got to Korea but I have friends who got a medal for service in Korea. REAL Vietnam War veterans are all those who are officially authorized the Vietnam Service medal and possess official military-issued documentation to confirm their medal authorization. ho, i could not . Here are some statistics on the veterans of the Vietnam War. Are we counted as two people or have they accounted for us already. Should you have a question or comment about this article, then scroll down to the comment section below to leave your response. I do not doubt that it occurred, but can anyone cite a reliable source for this? I agree with the conclusion taken by the Website Admin. Waiting for a slight pause in the clamor in my ear, I decided to escape towards the cover of the Bush. I was there in 1969. For US Vietnam Veterans it's about 66 years vs just about 78 years for non vets. Now 69 years/old. We dont respect the combat Vets and they shouldnt disrespect us. Im going with 2.9 and saying the person who wrote 9.2 has the seing disease whereas they see everything in reverse. Alternatively, to transfigure my destiny. The stroke wasnt assumed until after 2000 & heart not until 2010. Hometown: New York City. Everyone knows this. (Operation Ranch Hand) that were loaders and used no protection. 2.8 million tour because some guys just couldnt get enough! As you did not disclose what position you did or did not fill in Vietnam, or did not set foot in Vietnam, I will assume you are not a combat veteran, maybe not a Vietnam Veteran either. A total of 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam era, with over 2,709,000 Americans serving in Vietnam, about 9.7% of the generation.Vietnam Veterans by State 2022. That was our regimen along the Cambodian border, too. In my Book if you didnt step foot in Nam Your sure not a Vietnam Vet, Period. Fact: Everyone who served during the Vietnam War are classified as Vietnam Era Vets. Look up the military definition of combat. Deaths per day . The group in my AIT Class were all happy about this. Unless they kept track by service or SSN, how many Vietnam Veterans are there ? I was a grunt and shotgunner on convoys !!! I remember reading in the Stars and Stripes there were 500,000 plus in Vietnam at the time. Apparently, its been agreed upon that 800,000 Vietnam veterans had passed away by the year 2000. YouTube sets this cookie to store the video preferences of the user using embedded YouTube video. It seems to be all about syntax. Combat Vet, Vet on ships that never touched country, military who were passing through and were on airport tarmac? and i remember that we talked about how much we would make if we lost a finger or an arm. Your not a vet if you never stepped foot in another country. i am not better, but i am not worse. On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 4:22 PM CherriesWriter Vietnam War website wrote: > pdoggbiker posted: This is a controversial post. Most of the time as a grunt without a map. (How Convenient), Hi. C 3/17 Air Cav. Today, the state with highest number of Vietnam veterans is California, with 596,130, followed by Florida with 519,224. Im still here after all the BS of AO has really messed up my life with illnesses, surgeries ect since 1975, noting problems while I was in Vietnam in 69, and confirmed. Return to reality. The jungle sat still except for the dirt road with my truck speeding along. I KNOW MY STATS BECAUSE I WAS THE LONGEST SERVING MEMBER (20 YRS) on the New Jersey Agent Orange Commission, including four years as Chairman. Estimating the number of suicides among Vietnam veterans Unconfirmed reports that 50,000 or more Vietnam veterans have committed suicide give the impression that these veterans are at exceedingly high risk of suicide compared with other veterans and nonveterans of the same age. Cheers, Having studied the war for years, I believe that the correct figure for those on the ground in South Vietnam is 2.6 million. Since Sept. 11, 2001, just over 30,000 veterans have died by suicide four times more than the number of U.S. military personnel who died in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. Some, like myself did not serve a full 12month tour. The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". Hell no. I remember that the minute we came around the coast and headed up for Vung Tau, as merchantmen on American Export LInes ships, we got a sizeable war zone increase in our pay. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. . BTW, Why would this conservative believe anything the New York Times says anyway! What numbers do the VA have? John, If you served anywhere at all, anywherre during WWI, you are a WWI vet. Quite a story. this exclusiveness does no one any credit. The first impact of a rocket was twenty meters to the left and ten meters behind as the rocket flew over its target. The average lifespan of a door gunner on a Huey in Vietnam was just two weeks. None of us could have done our job without the support of troops around the globe. Data Appendix Methods Report Report FAQs. However, according to the Veterans Affairs Administration, there are an estimated 38,000 veterans die each day. Had an easy tour given what i was trained for before I got there. 240 300 World. The average number of Vietnam War veterans who die each day is 390 deaths. The number of people who are Vietnam veterans in the first place is a number that is widely debated. I,m getting older bot I remember combat pay and jump pay were both $55 dollars. they deserve that recognition. Bob, Based on data through September 30, 2020, VetPop2020 provides a projection of the Veteran population at each fiscal year end from 2020 to 2050. he and the other gentleman did not seem to know about each other , but they ended up speaking about the tours in country, both had served some time at dong ha. Spot on. Vietnam era vets are not the same as Vietnam vets, but they are important. No two people standing side by side performed the same duties. Canandaigua, NY So Huey pilots and crew were REMFs. The truth is that until Vietnam veterans can agree amongst themselves what constitutes a real Vietnam vet, the debate may continue. I wouldnt trust the New York Times study, regardless of their Sources! I can assure you there will be those of us alive longer than 10 years from now. But as to how many of us have died since then, I havent a clue. Those an in the Era the we were in Vietnam but they are not Vietnam Vets by any stretch of you imagination. Antonia is a gifted educator, and she is widely respected within the education community. I was C 3/17 Air Cav. A Co. 2/8th, First Cavalry, 1968-69. It only had the National Defense ribbon on the cap. Antonia is a firm believer in the power of education, and she is passionate about helping students reach their full potential. My mos was 11B and the army in its great wisdom sent me to an aviation unit in the Mekong delta. after spending 1968 with 3/25 0f 2nd field forces and 1970 with the 1/12 cav. may we all be the last man standing. About 12 out of every 100 Gulf War Veterans (or 12%) have PTSD in a given year. My husband was one of those 191st Assault Helicopter Co. Bounty Hunter door gunners. Very helpful for this Viet Nam vet, at 73 and a little long in the tooth I I find that my understanding of the time I spent in Viet Nam comes into sharper focus as time goes by and the reality of what happened and what I did to participate makes me proud especially because I volunteered for Viet Nam at the age of 17. These numbers do not include the Americans who served in Vietnam during World War II. I opted for love! His combat medal was an Air Medal. I think The NY Times has conflated he number of Viet Nam veterans with those who served in the military during the years 1960-1975. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Trying to understand: Does being shot at outside the wire while moving to new location count? In WWII and the Korean War, anyone who served in the military was considered a veteran of that war. That's 390 per day. He was one of the most decorated American combat soldiers of World War II. The average number of Vietnam War veterans who die each day is 390 deaths. It works only in coordination with the primary cookie. If the ratio of approximately 10% remains the same about 314. He signaled a repeat, and the second rocket impacted on target. Mekong Delta US Army 1969. Just come up with two lists and leave it at that. I had encountered a learning experience, and inspirational contact with the celestial. A lot of guys broke out with rashes every time that sprayed for mosquitos, using Melithon, which was every 2 weeks over all Base Camps. Then there was peace. David, please do not compare this to Merchant Seaman in WWII who braved the many packs of Submarines etc as that is how so many died in WWII. one of the ships i sailed on had a captain that was drunk for 5 months. What that included Im not sure today but understood it to be in naval & in country. i do not remember the moss but the went on quite a while. Okay.Ill be the one to tell it like it is, even though everyone here, as well as everyone else, knows the truth already! I was a REMF but was on my 4th pair of boots. Does having your ramp down and touching a river bank count as boots on ground while we were not allowed to go off the boat when we were pumping gas to the airbase? Using the 2.7 million and assuming one hundred thousand did two tours, I would use the six hundred thousand as the amount still living, due mainly to the delays in Agent Orange treatments and PTSD delays with the sucides from 1970 approx. The New York Times estimated that, of the 8.4 million Vietnam veterans who were still alive in 2000, 1.1 million had died. I was in 1st Battalion 26 th Infantry HMP 1st Infantry Division in 68 November 68 to January 69. I entered an L shaped ambush. Im now 74. The VA sent out a news release on March 29th, 2022, entitled DISABILITY COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS AVAILABLE TO VIETNAM WAR VETERANS. It included the following line, which should put this question to rest.
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